Do you believe in God?
Your question assumes that "god" exists. Rephrase your question.
Do you believe that God exists?
God exists in mankind's imagination, nowhere else.
Then why do you hate him so?
Him? Why do you give this "god" of yours male genitalia? I mean, what use would "god" have for a penis, scrotum and testicles?. Who's he gunna fuck?
That's obscene and blasphemous. Answer my question.
I can't hate something that doesn't exist. I don't even hate religion, per-se. It makes no difference to me if people worship sun gods, sky gods, fertility gods, gods of the sea or gods of the angry mountains. It becomes a problem for me when people worship bloodthirsty sadistic gods who want to kill me. Or gods who insist I adjust my lifestyle to suit their perverted outlook on life.
Well my God isn't like that, my God is a merciful God
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, child and baby, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
My God did not say that!
I'm quoting from the Bible. Does the Bible lie?
No the Bible does not lie. And that's not in the Bible
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Well alright, those people must have been sinners. They deserved to die.
Including children and babies?
God gets stressed sometimes. He's entitled to get angry.
"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."
You're making things up.
No, it's in your Bible. Don't you read the Bible?
Of course I do.
You're a liar. I've yet to meet a Christian who's read the Bible. You read the bits you're instructed to read and that's good enough for you.
You have no right to call me a liar.
I have every right because you are a liar. Are you gay?
What's that got to do with it?
Are you gay?
I'm married with three kids, does that answer your question?
If you're heterosexual, how come you've still got two hands and two eyes?
What ARE you on about now?
Jesus instructed heterosexual men to amputate one hand and gouge out one eye or risk the fires of hell.
He did NOT
Matthew 5:28-30. And he advocates castration. How come you ignore Jesus?
Look, you're just twisting everything...
No I'm not. I'm quoting directly from the Bible, the book you claim to revere but choose to ignore.
Jesus loves us all, including you, there's no way he'd expect us to harm ourselves.
Oh really, played with any poisonous serpents lately?
What's that supposed to mean?
If Jesus loves us all, why was he loathe to cure a sick Canaanite girl whose mother begged and pleaded for his help?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Jesus called an ailing child a "dog" because she wasn't a Jew – "It isn't right for the master to waste his power on dogs".
Jesus did not say that.
Not word for word, he said it wasn't right to waste the children's bread on dogs, but the desperate mother wasn't begging for bread, she was begging for help. And she didn't have a dog, she had a sick child. Had it not been for the crowd growing restless Jesus would have allowed the ailing child to die.
You're making everything up.
Read your Bible. Jesus was a racist Jew who loathed anyone who wasn't a Jew.
Oh really, so what about the parable of the Good Samaritan?
Great story, probably the best thing in the whole Bible, but unfortunately added hundreds of years after the New Testament was finished.
Yep, same as the story of the woman accused of adultery, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", absolutely brilliant, but not spoken by Jesus. It is a latter day forgery and interpolation.
You're just making stuff up.
Really? Check the New American Standard Bible, see what its scholars have say about it. And inquire why it is that these and several other forgeries and interpolations are being discreetly dropped from modern Bibles.
Look, I may not have studied the Bible as well as you but I know Jesus would not have called a sick child a dog.
You have no idea what your precious Jesus said.
That proves you're crazy. The New Testament is an accurate record of Jesus' parables and talks.
If it's accurate, how come the four so-called gospels contradict each other numerous times?
Did Joseph have two fathers? Matthew says his father was Jacob, Luke says his father was Heli.
An honest mistake.
Do yourself a favour and read the Bible, then you won't come across as such a complete numbskull.
ME? You're the one who just said I have no idea what Jesus said.
You don't. You haven't a clue what the original Hebrew rabbi may or may not have said. All you've got is one man's vision of another man's dream.
This gets sillier and sillier.
There may once have been a Hebrew rabbi called Yeshua who impressed some people with his oratory. We'll never know. This Yeshua character had a brother, James, who formed a cult based on the teachings of the dead one. Apparently a few people were interested.
A few, yeah, like two billion!
Back then there were just a few dozen, at most. Then Saul of Tarsus, a Turkish Jew, had a vision – probably drug induced or brought on by extreme thirst – of the dead rabbi. Saul, whom you know as Saint Paul, became convinced that James, Joseph, and Mary, plus Yeshua's other brothers and sisters had got it all wrong. According to Saul, Yeshua's family knew nothing about their dead relative. He, Saul, knew it all as a result of his vision. It's Saul's version of things that you now accept as the truth.
Where on earth do you get all this tripe from?
Unlike you, I study. Saul became so obsessed with his phantom he committed his thoughts to parchment. The manuscript known by scholars as the Source, or Q Gospel, has gone missing. An anonymous scribe copied from the Source adding his own embellishments and fabrications. We don't know the scribe's name but he wrote the earliest so-called "gospel" which came to be known as Mark.
Matthew's gospel is the earliest, shows how much you know.
No, the book called Mark is between ten to twenty years older than that of Matthew. Both anonymous scribes pillaged ideas from pagan religions and merged them with Saul's Yeshua. They gave Yeshua, or Jesus as you know him, a virgin birth, just like Buddha and Crishna. They claimed that Yeshua's mother, Mary, had been impregnated not by her husband but by a "holy ghost". According to them, Joseph learned of his wife's divine pregnancy via a dream. This was news to James who was confident that his brother was the result of a normal sperm meets egg conception, but the scribes insisted Jesus' family was wrong and they were right. This was news even to Saul, but he went along with the idea. When James objected, Saul ignored him.
You're making all this up, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were Jesus' disciples, they knew what was what.
Wow, you really don't have a clue do you. Those names were attributed years, maybe hundreds of years later, no one knows who wrote the so-called gospels. I can tell you this much, not one word in the New Testament was written by anyone who'd actually met, heard or seen Jesus. Everything was sheer guesswork woven around Saul's phantom with pagan fantasies tossed in for good measure.
That's absolute rubbish. It's so stupid I'm lost for words.
Just as well, because if you...
Besides, who is this Saul character?
I told you, you know him as Saint Paul, a Turkish Jew who became a Roman citizen and turned against his own people. He launched his own religion based on a vision of a dream blended with pagan mythology.
I don't know where you get all this from.
All this information is in the public domain, it's available for anyone interested enough to educate themselves. And there's more. Before long the scribes had Yeshua raising the dead as did Mithra, turning water into wine like Bacchus and Dionysus, crucified like Prometheus and resurrecting dead bodies like virtually all the christs and messiahs who roamed the arid deserts of people's minds in those days. Two more scribes, you know them as Luke and John, jumped on the band wagon and added still more silly bits. Merge it all together and Viola! – Frankenstein's bolt-on Christ!
Look, this is all new to me, and quite bizarre.
I agree with you there, the entire Bible is bizarre. Your walking corpse...
Jesus was not a walking corpse.
What do you call a dead body then? A cadaver? He was dead, then three days later, according to you, he sprang back to life. He walked. He was a corpse that walked. A walking corpse, or as they say in Haiti, a zombie.
Through God all things are possible.
Oh really? Why then doesn't your "god" spare the lives of the millions of African children who are presently starving to death or dying of various diseases? Why, with one billion Catholics praying for the last pope did "god" fail to cure him of Parkinsons Disease?
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Ha! I'll say this much for you, you know nothing about the Bible but you've sure learned all the standard excuses off by heart.
Look, all I know is, Jesus is the prince of peace and love. Those who believe in him will be saved from the fires of hell and granted everlasting life in heaven. That's good enough for me.
"Think not that I come to bring peace. I come not to bring peace but a sword."
You never give up do you.
You're not bothered about the five billion people who are going to burn in hell for eternity?
It's their choice, they either accept Jesus or they reject him.
You don't think Jesus could find it in his heart to forgive those children in the developing world who've never heard of him?
Everyone's heard of him.
How about you, are you sure you're worshipping your saviour in the correct manner? Because if you're not, you're going to burn in hell along with the rest of us.
What do you mean?
Do you attend church?
Every Sunday without fail.
Why worship your deity on the pagan day of worship rather than the Sabbath?.
Sunday IS the Sabbath.
Nope. The Emperor Constantine changed it from Saturday to Sunday to appease the pagan sun worshippers. And so you see, straight away, you're in breach of god's laws. Now you're in trouble...
Jesus knows I make the effort. I attend church and I pray.
Why would you do that when Jesus forbade praying in public?
He did not.
There ya go again, displaying your ignorance.
There YOU go again, talking nonsense.
It's up to you to check things out, discover whether or not I'm lying. But I tell you this, if I believed for one split second that my eternal survival depended on my worshipping god and Jesus in the proscribed manner, I'd spend every waking moment studying the Bible. I wouldn't risk burning in the fires of hell for eternity simply because I've trusted some grubby old priest or sheik or preacher who may well be an charlatan who's lying to me.
What do you mean?
If a priest told you to walk on thin ice, would you? No you wouldn't, you'd check it out first. And yet the worst that could happen to you is that you'd drown. Yet when a priest tells you to believe certain things and to perform certain rituals and you won't burn in hell, you can't be bothered to check it out. You take his word for it.
I trust my priest.
Then you're an idiot as well as a liar.
If you insult me once more I'm going to thump you.
Thump away, but before you do, give me a chance to prove that you're an idiot.
This had better be good.
Do you believe that the graves of saints opened up and the corpses clambered out of their graves and strolled around Jerusalem to be seen by many?
Where do you get that idea from?
Where do you think? Matthew, chapter twenty-seven. Answer my question, do you believe that rotting corpses clambered out of their graves and went walkabouts?
I'd have to actually read it... I mean re-read it, before making up my mind.
You can't make an on-the-spot decision? – mouldy old cadavers walking around greeting people?
As I say, I'd need to check it.
Please do. But I've proved my point.
I can't understand why you hate the Bible so.
As Thomas Paine said, "I detest it as I detest all things that are cruel."
Never heard of him.
Why am I not surprised?
The Great Christian Lie